HP Tuners Vs. EFI Live

I have efi live. Personally, I dont have the time to do my own tunes. I use LSX power Tuning out of College Station. Lorenz is awesome, and leaps and bounds better experience then I had with blackbear(who we did probably 8-10 gms with). He does all the dirty work, I make small changes ehre and there, minor things, and im good to go.

Really come down to what tuner your going to use, and what they use.
If your building your own tunes not just using someone else's tables and tweaking little shit and calling it "yours" i would really really really really do my reasearch and learn from somebody who has experience in tuning, your engine just ins't something i would fuck around and "learn" on lots and lots of man hours go into these gas tuners learning how to tweak every table etc. Diesels are a bit easier but i would really do your research and try to get classes, hands on help, watching and taking advice from current tuners and always take everything with a grain of a salt. Like said before a good wideband 02 guage and lots of data logging will help also

They spend hours and hours tuning their own vehicle. I learned by hands on/reading sure, but how it one to learn if they dont actually try it? Reading and knowing the "safe" parameters of what your tuning is key. I would never suggest a beginner to go out and push and try to get an all effort tune. Instead you tweak and adjust in small increments and datalog to see exactly what has changed. No matter what hes a beginner im a beginner at tuner, we must use what we have to "learn" on but must first know that you cant just open up a spark table and add 100* to it.
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I understand that but, getting hands on and learning from somebody else watching them tune and tweak tables, them letting you get some action while they watch over you can help you a lot, i didnt say you couldnt do all on your own, I would just rather be safe than sorry imo
Fuck the classes. Read the forums. Ask the questions. Log, tune, log some more, post log tables for others to scrutinize. Learn who is who on the forums (just like these forums).

It seems like its a LOT more overwhelming then it really is.

Tuning knarly cams, boosted cars, and lean cruise is a whole different game though.

Im too scared to lean tune.